Liz Cheney's Group calls NIN's protest "Pathetic"
The 60 char title limit kind of hindered me putting up a fully informative title as to this post.. It was discovered recently that Reznor's music along with a number of other bands is being used as torture at Gitmo. Their music is played at ear splitting levels, sometimes repeating the same song over and over for long durations.
This is all being done without any consent from the artists (did they at least legally purchase their copies?), and it would seem that any requests from the artists to have their music pulled from the 'enhanced interrogation' is being dismissed at a near hostile level by members of Liz Cheney's group, 'Keep America Safe'.
All of my news concerning this is being pulled from The NIN Hotline, I found this particular quote interesting: "A "Keep America Safe" spokesperson went so far as to say "It's almost laughable to think that heavy metal bands like Nine Inch Nails and Rage Against the Machine have a moral authority on national security issues.".
I guess loud edgy music must be evil and immoral even though it's almost always anything but, 'least the stuff I listen to.
You can read more: at http://www.theninhotline.net/news/
Including an organized attempt at asking for an apology from Keep America Safe for deeming the artist's stance as laughable and having no moral leverage concerning the use of their music, and as they word it - to stand up for all awesome musicians who have enriched American culture and deserve to have their rights respected, not dismissed.
This is all being done without any consent from the artists (did they at least legally purchase their copies?), and it would seem that any requests from the artists to have their music pulled from the 'enhanced interrogation' is being dismissed at a near hostile level by members of Liz Cheney's group, 'Keep America Safe'.
All of my news concerning this is being pulled from The NIN Hotline, I found this particular quote interesting: "A "Keep America Safe" spokesperson went so far as to say "It's almost laughable to think that heavy metal bands like Nine Inch Nails and Rage Against the Machine have a moral authority on national security issues.".
I guess loud edgy music must be evil and immoral even though it's almost always anything but, 'least the stuff I listen to.
You can read more: at http://www.theninhotline.net/news/
Including an organized attempt at asking for an apology from Keep America Safe for deeming the artist's stance as laughable and having no moral leverage concerning the use of their music, and as they word it - to stand up for all awesome musicians who have enriched American culture and deserve to have their rights respected, not dismissed.
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silvercordI hate to be negative, but really, Trent:
Stoppit
Truckchase>> ^silvercord:
I hate to be negative, but really, Trent:
Stoppit
Really? You're going to side with Mrs. Cheney on this one eh? I'm sure you'll find plenty of popular support on that....
RyjkyjOf course Truckchase. It's perfectly normal to torture people. It's the ones who sing songs about it that are destroying our decent, christian society.
silvercord>> ^Truckchase:
>> ^silvercord:
I hate to be negative, but really, Trent:
Stoppit
Really? You're going to side with Mrs. Cheney on this one eh? I'm sure you'll find plenty of popular support on that....
I'm not "siding with Mrs. Cheney." I'm responding to the sentiment regarding the positive influence that Nine Inch Nails have had on American culture, i.e. " . . . all the awesome musicians who have enriched American culture . . . " and all the other indignation over at the NIN hotline. If it had been Michael Stipe, I wouldn't have said a word.
DraxPlenty of people enjoy Nine Inch Nails. My love for NIN's in how complex the music is, even his most catchy of tunes. Every listen I can peel off more layers of sound on a good set of headphones and hear new sound elements. I also enjoy the fictional story line of the man split in two that carries over all the albums from The Downward Spiral (the becoming) to With Teeth (only). Trent also seems to have a lot of integrity, but I'm a NIN fan for the music. The fact that Trent's actually a rather decent guy isn't what brings me back every release.
Now considering he has a strong fan base who enjoys his music, how is it he hasn't enriched the music culture to some degree? His work's bled over into other media as well, Tony Scott's The Fan was influenced by The Downward Spiral album. The Machinist and Flight Club where also influenced by NIN (The Machinist especially)
Do you just not enjoy it due to taste? Or is it something else you don't like?
paul4dirt(even though its interesting i dont think posts like this should be in maintalk)
Drax(sorry, first siftalk... n00b)
silvercord>> ^Drax:
Plenty of people enjoy Nine Inch Nails. My love for NIN's in how complex the music is, even his most catchy of tunes. Every listen I can peel off more layers of sound on a good set of headphones and hear new sound elements. I also enjoy the fictional story line of the man split in two that carries over all the albums from The Downward Spiral (the becoming) to With Teeth (only). Trent also seems to have a lot of integrity, but I'm a NIN fan for the music. The fact that Trent's actually a rather decent guy isn't what brings me back every release.
Now considering he has a strong fan base who enjoys his music, how is it he hasn't enriched the music culture to some degree? His work's bled over into other media as well, Tony Scott's The Fan was influenced by The Downward Spiral album. The Machinist and Flight Club where also influenced by NIN (The Machinist especially)
Do you just not enjoy it due to taste? Or is it something else you don't like?
What you've said, "enriched the music culture to some degree," strikes more closely at reality than what was quoted in your original post: "enriched American culture." I could have been more clear in my initial post that my reaction wasn't to the music, but to the idea encapsulated in the last sentence of your post that NIN had made some kind of morally positive contribution to American culture. I don't think they have. I realize that you didn't write that and, from your latest post, you don't go along with it, but whoever did pen those words is taking someone too seriously.
NetRunner^ NIN enriches American culture with lyrics like these:
You might say "Head Like a Hole" describes what's wrong with our culture better in those eight lines than most people could in eight volumes.
Perhaps you just can't look past "Closer"'s "I want to fuck you like an animal" chorus. That song always struck me as a gut-twisting ode to how meaningless sex can't make you feel better about yourself, even if it makes you feel good when you're doing it.
But mostly I think if you want to accuse NIN of anything, it's for misapprehending which part of what was done should be organized against: using their music without conesent, or torturing human beings.
Personally I think the latter one steals the show.
Ryjkyj^ HA! Nice!
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